Recommendations for Mechanics of SSG and SSGSS/SSB Transformations

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  • #20249

    Grenade220
    Participant

    Hello if you do not feel like reading all of this than skip this and scroll all the way to the bottom!

    Hello, I know it will be a while before God Ki and God Transformations are implemented into the DBC Mod. But I have some recommendations on how it should work. As Jin has stated he thinks of making it, where you need 6 saiyans in total (On a public server). 5 saiyans share their energy (Ki) to the final saiyan and transform him into a god. The transformation should last 30 minutes (Real time). Once the transformation is finished there is a 10% chance that you will retain the god ki that was granted to the player when they originally transformed. Thus granting the player full access to the Super Saiyan God Transformation (Also adding a new skill in the skills menu). Once the god ki is fully granted to the player they can fuse super saiyan with super saiyan god in order to create Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue. It will us the new skill bar and allow the player to go super saiyan blue from their base instead of having to go into ssg in order to reach ssb. The cost to upgrade the new skill from level 0 to 1 is tremendous, it will cost more TP than the ssj3 TP cost. It will cost 6,000 to 10,000 tp. Including to this, the player must have their Mind stat high in order to maintain ssb, since it was stated by goku in the Anime that is a transformation that requires a high amount of ki control.

    Review:
    Super Saiyan God: Requires Saiyan Race – Requires at least Super saiyan unlocked – 6 Saiyans required, 5 Saiyans will share their ki towards the one saiyan (Using a ki sharing system – Not explained in the paragraph above)
    Benefits: Will make the player stronger than super saiyan 4 – boost to Damage resistance (Take less damage) about 100% from super saiyan 4 – will increase strength, defense, by 125% from super saiyan 4 – speed will be increased by 80% from super saiyan 4, and will increase ki pool by 50% from its current max – Ki control, skill limits, and maximum ki power will be increased by 50% as well.
    Disadvantages – Will only last 30 minutes (real time) – Only have 10% chance of retaining god ki (Is used to transform into Super Saiyan god and ssb/ssbss at will)
    The ridiculous increase in stats insures that only gods will be able to fight each other and defeat each other, and that there wont be crazy amounts of players around the world with god ki.

    Super Saiyan Blue/Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan: Requires God Ki – Requires at least super saiyan unlocked – A great number in Mind, 5,000
    Benefits: Increases all upgrades from Super Saiyan God by 50% except for ki pool
    Disadvantages: Extremley hard to keep when mind is not at 5,000 (will not be vary noticeable when its one point off but will build up as the stat for mind goes down – can also be configurable with players whos max attribute can only reach 500 etc.) – Kaioken can be used with this transformation – Anything beyond x3 (if jin adds x4 than it will be x4) will be extremely difficult to maintain (Increasing mind will help improve this – max mind will make x100 the limit)

    God Ki: God ki will vanish once the super saiyan god transformation’s timer runs out, and the player will revert back to their original state with the same stats as before – If the player manages to retain the god ki than their stats will increase by 50 to 100 (Configurable) – the player will than and only than be able to transform into SSG at will – God Ki will also grant them access to unlocking SSBSS (As stated above).

    Please leave a comment on this post if there are any questions. I usually don’t revise my typing so, if their are any spelling or grammar errors, than just ask me and i will happily correct any confusion. Please let me know if you have any other ideas to add onto this, and if you like it or not. Thank you and Have a great day 😀

  • #20251

    SayainGod
    Participant

    Hi, I am very interested in this recommendation.
    but i have 1 question..:

    Will the regular ssj transformations be separated between the god ssj transformations?..

    Also question 2:
    How will the sayain/half-sayain retain the god ki

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by  SayainGod.
  • #20253

    sonicx05
    Participant

    i agree with most but i think it will depend on how hard jin makes controlling great ape to be, if he makes that a pain in the ass, harder thand just gathering 5 saiyans i think ssj4 should be able to compete with gods, especially if he adds fusion. two fused super saiyan 4’s better at leas compete with a god.cuz gathering 5 saiyans isnt really all that hard, if he makes controlling a golden ape really hard i think ssj4 should be equal or at least close to the power of super saiyan blue.

  • #20256

    Reckey123456
    Participant

    Say, didn’t Vegeta obtain god ki by training?

  • #20257

    Skeptical
    Participant

    Of course, Dragon Ball Super was rushed enough to not show how Vegeta even comprehended god ki while training on whis’s planet.

  • #20266

    TravelerSoul
    Participant

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that you can turn into ssg without the ritual. Also, I think that you should have to max transformations to go ssg, otherwise, people will skip ssj2 & 3 and go straight to god. other than that, and the fact that we don’t know how strong ssj4 will be, this is a pretty good idea.

  • #20267

    Mr. Perfect Cell
    Participant

    i also feel like one shouldnt be locked out of ssj1-3 transformations with god ki or even ssjgssj. i mean it is SHOWN that goku was still able to transform into a regular super saiyan after receiving the god ki powerup. in fact, ssj was even STRONGER now that it had god ki. what i’m saying is, god ki could add a boost to ssj 1-3, though ssjgss still outclasses them. if one wishes to turn on the transformation into ssjgss, clicking the box next to the transformation skill on the skill screen once sets transformations to ssj-ssj3 (turning it yellow, already done), clicking it again will turn it blue and enable ssjgss, clicking it again will revert to the ssj1 grades (turning it back to green).
    i kinda say this as i still wanna have access to all the forms… not just the ones with god ki.

  • #20273

    SayainGod
    Participant

    Thats a good idea,What andrew just said.

    “clicking the box next to the transformation skill on the skill screen once sets transformations to ssj-ssj3 (turning it yellow, already done), clicking it again will turn it blue and enable ssjgss, clicking it again will revert to the ssj1 grades (turning it back to green).”

  • #20277

    Ethan Bordin
    Participant

    I feel that even if you don’t get God form (SSJG) I fell you should still be able to train into god KI like Grenade220 said your mind would be 5,000 before you could get SSB I think that if you do keep god KI from the SSG form that’s works but if you don’t keep the KI then if you at least had god form you could train into SSB train your mind up to 5,000 youcan then have god ki the reason I say this is because it is stated in the show that SSB is a form made of really good ki control like really good you it would make since to have to have really good control over your Ki to get god ki now if you train to it without SSG then you can holy god SSB and you will have to train harder because the people who do have god ki would have either gottn it from god or trained really hard for it

  • #20279

    mors_mortis
    Participant

    We don’t really know much about God Ki, SSG, or even SSB to begin with. All we know for them is that…
    God Ki can only be sensed by others who have God Ki.
    God Ki is supposed to be stronger than normal Ki.
    SSG is created by 5 Saiyans pouring their power into another Saiyan.
    You keep the power of SSG despite losing the form.
    You can use SSB without first gaining SSG
    SSB requires a calm mind.
    SSB has proper Ki Control.
    You can use Kaio Ken with SSB.

    Now you could say SSG has a healing ability but we don’t know about the details of the script that Toriyama made about that arc and even that fact about SSG becoming Goku’s base power being called into question thanks to the recent manga chapter. So what’s being considered canon right now is kinda screwy and I hope Jin doesn’t add God Ki at all until this is all cleared up by the series. The suggestion is appreciated since God Ki is at a strange place right now though it was initially explained by Jin or Crimson in a video.

  • #20282

    sonicx05
    Participant

    i havent watched super yet but i dont think you retain the god ki after going ssjg. Beerus says it seems your body learned from the experience, in battle of gods. so i think goku still had to train alot to learn how to change is ki, i dont think u need to be a ssjg first it just helps alot since your body knows the feeling of that kind of power.

    • #20283

      mors_mortis
      Participant

      You are right in saying that Goku doesn’t retain any God Ki from the transformation; he gain the physical abilities of SSG, I probably should have chosen my words more carefully, sorry. However all SSG did for Goku was give him a head start, now I don’t think this is a spoiler exactly but Vegeta never did the ritual but Goku and Vegeta actually gained the SSB pretty much the same time. You should actually watch Super though, it would clear some confusions…sadly it’s only some of them.

  • #20284

    sonicx05
    Participant

    from what ive heard, is better at controlling his ki more than goku, which allowed him to figure out the transformation, i was goning to wait for dubbed but now im on episode 6 lol 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by  sonicx05.
    • #20286

      mors_mortis
      Participant

      Yeah you might as well just watch the sub, I haven’t heard any news of a dub coming. We know it’s coming but if we haven’t had any news for 3 whole arcs then it’s probably not coming for a while, though that’s just my opinion.

  • #20290

    sonicx05
    Participant

    well one thing i mentioned above was the power comparison based upon ssj4 and ssjgss was based on difficulty of how to obtain these. how i said if ssj4 is as hard to obtain then ssjg to obtain then it should be equal, that got me thinking about golden frieza, if we were to go by the movie it would be really easy for friezas to obtain this power, which is close to super saiyan blue, frieza only needed to train more whilst in that form. I would like to discuss how that form should be obtained/mastered. my first thought for balancing would be scouters are unable to sense god ki and friezas are unable to sense ki at all. this would give them a rather large disadvantage in a fight and could compensate for friezas having the ease of obtaining their large power boost. (another idea of mine is upon character creation having a tail is randomized, if you get a tail you will be able to go ssj4 and not super saiyan blue and if u are born without a tail vise versa. let me know what you think on that, it could help with the decision on which is stronger in this mod.)

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by  sonicx05.
  • #20292

    sonicx05
    Participant

    actually instead of it based on randomization that could be a choice for when you create your character.

    But i realize the argument could be brought up that ssj4 is not as strong as ssjgss, my next thought for that would be ssjgss cant fuse and 2 fused ssj4 will have the power of a ssjg and ssjgss, since instead of 5 people you would need two. this is also something i feel could be what jin does.

    • #20294

      mors_mortis
      Participant

      Not being able to sense Ki isn’t that much of a debuff since we don’t have Ki sensing to begin with and right now we only have scouters which all races can use. The Golden Form should be stronger than SSB, that’s a given considering how well it was supposed to do if Frieza perfected it. I personally thought that the form should take up Power Points rather than Ki. Now SS4 is something different, I don’t think it should be stronger than SSB, it’s difficult to achieve but you have Great Ape AND Super Form from the start and can be achieved simply through training (which may not be an issue with the training update) while SSB requires you to become a GOD, even after becoming a SSG you still require you to be trained by gods to finally become a SSB. The god forms cannot be achieved on your own unlike SS4 and that is were its difficulty begins. Your training from Whis should be a serious of insane side quests. I wouldn’t add any large weaknesses to any form unless that weakness is from the series, like a fusion between two SS4s would decrease the timer on the fusion or how SS3 is incredibly draining.

  • #20295

    sonicx05
    Participant

    hmm, i see if the side quest for becoming a god was really hard then i do see it being stronger than ss4. but as for weakness im thinking if while your in ss4 and you lose your tail that would cut you off from being a ss4 till it grows back. that could be a reason for ss4 being around ssg and ssb. now im not far in the super but ive watched themovies. are we able to confirm ssb is stronger than ssg?

    • #20297

      mors_mortis
      Participant

      You don’t need to watch Super to know if SSB is stronger than SSG. Base Goku has the strength of SSG so the idea that SSB is weaker makes absolutely no sense.

  • #20296

    sonicx05
    Participant

    personally i think ss4 could be around ssb, i mean in early episode of super you see beerus look at the z fighters and they all fly back, ss4 gogeta did the same to shenron. i think training in ss4 could be around that of ssg, maybe not ssb if that one is stronger, but then two fused ss4’s shouls be as strong as ssb, and well two fused ssb id imagine would be the strongest you could get XD.

  • #20298

    sonicx05
    Participant

    sorry guess i didnt think that one through, u can probably tell by my profile picture that i like ssj4 alot XD. tbh im more stoked for that than god ki.

    • #20300

      mors_mortis
      Participant

      Nah don’t worry about it, it was a common misconception for a little while. And yeah I’m a fan a SS4 too and I’ve looked at it the best way I could and to me it makes sense that SS4 gives a separate x10 multiplier onto the Super Saiyan x50 multiplier. Since all ascended forms of Super Saiyan in DBZ are just upgrades of the same transformation making SS4 a x500 multiplier that doesn’t drastically drain Ki like SS3. But keep in mind that GT Base Goku is supposedly as strong as DBZ SS3 Goku so SS4 Goku is a lot stronger than you think. So I don’t think the SS4 transformation on its own isn’t as strong as you think it is compared to the boost SSG gave Goku. Think of it this way, Beerus one shot DBZ SS3 Goku before the SSG came into play, Baby Vegeta was beating a GT SS3 Kid Goku but he didn’t one shot him and then SS4 Goku started dominating the fight. Now there are few parts of this that could be inconsistent but the general idea still remains since Goku even stated the he doesn’t even think fusion would work against Beerus and SSG supposedly made Goku a little bit over half of Beerus’ power. But just taking that into consideration, on their own SSB would wreck SS4.

  • #20314

    sonicx05
    Participant

    alright ill give ssb will beat ssg, but whis said it himself if goku and vegeta could fight to gether they would beat beerus, ss4 is a strong form and we do know that fusions cause a large increase in power since goten and trunks alone cant even go ss2 but together they can go ss3, another example of fusion power is vegito, buu wrecked ss3 goku but ss vegito was toying with buu.

  • #20463

    noeckede
    Participant

    i think the ability to unlock ssgss should be tied to having very high tier stats and the ssg should be tied to multiplayer or special events via story system. though fusion should prolly be in the game before this comes around. but having only the ssgss would make it easier to make it just different transformation similar to kiao ken. it would be interesting if you had to unlock the god ki by training on a gods planet to be able to get the transformation.

    as for the show the ssg levels had a bigger event in power scaling that puts ss4 down a few pegs and that could be summed up in goku and beerus fight and the effects it had on the universe. its only in the anime version though not the movies.

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